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Burty117 said:

It’s my Router, why would I use an ISP supplied Router? If my data is encrypted, how are they getting anything from me? Why do you think governments regularly try to get rid of encryption?

I myself look after pretty large company networks, I haven’t worked for an ISP myself but I do have friends that do, it’s fascinating how they operate when it’s that scale, however, encrypted traffic is encrypted traffic, they can’t read it.

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I said your router, not your isp router, right there. But who even cares whose router is that? ISP still needs to authenticate router you use against your credentials, or they wouldnt be able to disable your internet when e.g. you dont pay anymore.
Your IP data and header is encrypted, your TCP header never is or no packages could be routed. I wrote there is no issue to get information where you are sending packages and where are you getting them (unless using TOR smartly), I never said this is in any way related to WHAT are you sending. Government always know what websites or what people you are contacting, the problem for them is ip layer where the exact content lies, but that is not remotely related to my comment.
You either didnt read at all my comment, didnt understand that at all, or simply have no knowledge on infrastructure you're using everyday - which is fine, not everyone need to know that, but arguing about it without any knowledge is a bit silly. Maybe ask your colleagues working at ISP to explain it to you first.

dangh said:

I said your router, not your isp router, right there. But who even cares whose router is that? ISP still needs to authenticate router you use against your credentials, or they wouldnt be able to disable your internet when e.g. you dont pay anymore.

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I’ll try and delete half your crap, man you are hard to have a conversation with…

Anyway, I did misread, I thought you meant the actual router, not the line login. Overhere at least, it tends to be a PPPoE login for home internet lines. Rarely do you need actual login credentials though, BT Home lines all use the same credentials, they aren’t unique to your subscription. Business lines and some of the newer alt-net fiber ISP’s do seem to have unique PPPoE logins though, I understand what you’re trying to say here.

dangh said:

Your IP data and header is encrypted, your TCP header never is or no packages could be routed. I wrote there is no issue to get information where you are sending packages and where are you getting them (unless using TOR smartly), I never said this is in any way related to WHAT are you sending.

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Yeah, I understand that, but now you’re having to lookup IP’s, probably thousands of them to try and figure out what you’re looking at, you’d need to be someone of interest for that sort of effort to be put against you.

Pppoe credentials are 1:1 connected to your ISP account so it uniquely identifies you as a client, and matches that to your ip number at a given time.

"Yeah, I understand that, but now you’re having to lookup IP’s, probably thousands of them to try and figure out what you’re looking at,"
yes, but that is a very simple thing to do. your ISP have only a few gateways, youre connected to one of them at a given time, and all your packages requests are logged there. You simply do a db query on destination IP addresses for IP address assigned to you router, getting unique results, matching those results to any dns table, remove some standard calls like ms / apple update servers and similar stuff and you get a general history of your internet traffic.
And yes, of course, noone is going to do that for an average Smith.
I was only pointing out that your internet traffic is not as anonymous as some thinks, and your ISP have a lot information related directly to you and your browsing pattern no matter which dns are you using.

dangh said:

Pppoe credentials are 1:1 connected to your ISP account so it uniquely identifies you as a client, and matches that to your ip number at a given time.

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So with BT home internet lines, you can literally use:
btbroadband@btinternet.net
BT

And that works literally anywhere, it definitely isn’t tied to me, I’ve used that for everyone who’s gone with a third party router and it’s never failed.

I don’t understand what info they’re getting if it’s generic credentials.

dangh said:

yes, but that is a very simple thing to do. your ISP have only a few gateways, youre connected to one of them at a given time, and all your packages requests are logged there. You simply do a db query on destination IP addresses for IP address assigned to you router, getting unique results, matching those results to any dns table, remove some standard calls like ms / apple update servers and similar stuff and you get a general history of your internet traffic.
And yes, of course, noone is going to do that for an average Smith.
I was only pointing out that your internet traffic is not as anonymous as some thinks, and your ISP have a lot information related directly to you and your browsing pattern no matter which dns are you using.

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Yeah okay, I see what you’re saying, an ISP can figure out what servers you’re connecting to regardless of anything except stuff like TOR.

So they can see I’ve connected to a network, at a datacenter, that potentially contains a looney website about killing people (amongst all the other services potentially hosted there). Cool, I’m sure that’ll come in handy…

Asking my ISP friend, here in the UK, some ISP’s can keep browsing history for up-to 12 months, but there’s no requirements to do that, specially for smaller ISP’s.

Feels like a pretty large burden for ISP’s to keep that amount of information for long periods of time as well.

I like foxes said:

ZedRM , dont be so naive . They collect data not without a reason . Reason beyond marketing . But I m used to it . Ultimately I m not a criminal , so I sholud not fear .

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